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Wow, Jeremy had a quad in SP, fully rotated, and didn't fall? That's great! Looks like Jeremy is ambitious this season. 88.10 in SP in the first GP event? Not bad for Patrick!
Wow, Jeremy had a quad in SP, fully rotated, and didn't fall? That's great!
We're not talking about casual skating fans. We're talking about the judges who should have seen what was obvious and that Chan had a visible error to anyone who watched the program.
I think Patrick might have downgraded his 4T upon noticing he was too close to the board and didn't want to repeat the clashing at the same event before. I wonder if it might be an option to do the quad anyway and tack the 3T to the 3Lz later. Of course, I realize there was no time to strategize.
That might be the reason for the first 3T. I don't think Patrick has ever prepared in training to move the second 3T anywhere other than tackled behind 4T. He has singled out the 3T behind the 4T in SP once last year and received penalty for that. At least this time, he didn't receive penalty.
What visible error of Patrick's that the judges didn't give him enough deduction?
I explained that already in my post. He stepped out of his jump combo and had a messy landing. He should have gotten -2s for it, but he got -1s for that element from the majority of the judges.
How do you know he didn't receive -2 becaue of that particular fault you have pointed out? It might be that he received some +GOEs from other perspective of this combo element which reduced his total negative GOEs.
He had NO transitions going into it, which is required for solo jump in the SP. He should have received -2 GOE for it. He got very lucky that a lot of the judges still seem to forget about this rule.
- a jump immediately preceded by connecting steps and/or other comparable Free Skating movements:
Senior Men - any triple or a quadruple jump
David21 said:Well, you're free to tell me which parts of that jump combo were so great that he should not have received a -2 for it
I think for a quad jump, the judges might probably give a little more space between the connecting steps and the jump.
Then they are judging poorly because that's not how it works.
Jeremy had 0 connecting movements going into his Quad, so that is -3 GOE right there. The quad itself was +1 quality, so overall it should have been scored as -2 GOE.
Most quads in the SP are done as combos because most skaters can't do footwork into their quads. That's a reason why it's hard to include a quad in the SP. Sometimes the second jump is missed due to the not so solid quad and the skater tacks it after the later solo jump. This may disqualify the quad as the solo jump with the required preceding footwork but it seems sometimes the tech panel relaxes on what constitute footwork in such situations.
This was exactly what it was. The jump was on my side of the rink so I got a clear view. He landed fine then had to swing away in order not to hit the boards.The judges might have thought that it had good height and distance (almost too much distance ),and that it matched the musical structure; Even, despite the step-back, that it had good flow throughout, especially between the two jumps.
They might also have thought that it wasn't really much of an error in the first place. He was too close to the boards, so he had to swing a little wider on the second jump. He was never seriously off balance, as is the usual case when skaters save a jump landing with a step out.
I think a minus 1 is OK.